I am an American female looking for a way to be an EU citizen. I have applied for a German passoprt, but I fear I will have no luck. So, I have come to the conclusion that I need to marry an EU citizen. I am looking for a male. I don't care where you come from, as long at it is an EU country. With this marriage for papers comes the pleasure that you will become an American Citizen!!! Wow, what a great offer! I can be an EU member, stay in Spain, and you (whoever you are) get the oh-so-difficult to obtain American Passport!!!
Posts: 331 | Location: San Diego | Registered: 14 December 2002
Ooops Sedusa, I know this is just a joke.. ..Otherwise, it is blantantly illegal. Of course if you are looking for love and a long term relationship.....
Posts: 232 | Location: Seattle, WA, USA | Registered: 03 June 2001
Sedusa- the exchange you're trying to offer is still pretty lopsided- they won't automatically get a US passport and the US unlike the EU is VERY serious about fradulent marriages- you will have to interview and the whole nine yards- your EU mate will also have to live in the US for a period of time (longer than you in the EU- and it STILL depends on the EU country- not all of them only require 1 year of marriage!) and carry a greencard for several years before being eligible to gain American Citizenship.
You're looking to get into quite a mess- especially since you're not looking for love. When you get divorced with some of the EU countries you'll look at losing half of what you have- if its not much- well you've got me there- I know it can be frustrating- but there has to be a more kosher way for you to get what you want. And I'm the first to know- I've been working on this for the better part of a decade!
Good luck!
Siguiendo mi propio Camino de Santiago
Posts: 387 | Location: Madrid | Registered: 19 October 2002
Joke or no joke-- I really want to know if this works for her! If it does, I may know someone that is interested!!! Ha! I even have some questions....would the couple have to live in the same country at the same time? Say you get married and your spouse moves into your house and you into his, would that count as sharing a home? Ha!
Posts: 232 | Location: Seattle, WA, USA | Registered: 03 June 2001
I thought that if you applied for citizenship in another country, you would loose your own American citizenship. Maybe what you are looking for is just permenant resident status.
Posts: 12 | Location: usa | Registered: 04 March 2002
He Roe Rogers, I also used to believe that "if you applied for citizenship in another country, you would loose your own American citizenship" but have recently learned from memeber "BAS" that it is not true.
He just took his oath and became a full-fledged Spanish citizen but did not have to renounce his original citizenship.
He told me that you need not renounce being a US citizen if you become citizen of Spain.
I think Roe is right, that you lose your American citizenship when you apply for the citizenship of another country.
Tho, the good news for Sedusa! is that i think there are two exceptions to that rule: Ireland and Israel.
Israel isnt an EU member, but Ireland is!!
Sedusa: i believe tubbymurphy is single, you could start there!! good luck!
:jeje: :ks:
i also heard a great story about an illegal immigrant 'couple', he's spanish and she's cuban.
they travelled to spain, got married here. went back to the States on 'holidays', as the Cuban girl had entered the US legally, she could then apply for US citizenship, and so could he as her husband!
brilliant!
harmless
"when you're not feeling holy, your loneliness says that you've sinned"<br />L. Cohen
Don't know about tubby murphy but i'm sure you'll find plenty of irish citizens looking for a way into the U.S.!! Though i thought we were honorary American citizens by reason of being so cool. Iknow lots of people who have dual, one even with triple citizenship! Or are you only allowed to gt this if for example your born of parents from 2 countries and then move to a thrid country as i think this person did?! Three nationalities- its a bit greedy!
Posts: 25 | Location: madrid,spain | Registered: 07 October 2002
"...i think there are two exceptions to that rule: Ireland and Israel."
Maybe "officially" that is true as I have heard the Israel-USA one as well (my mom was born and raised in Israel and she has both citizenships) but I personally am a dual citizen (U.S.A. and Great Britain) so there must be more to this than meets the eye Tecnically, since my mom is Israeli, all I need to do is claim my citizenship there as well, giving me 3 (I have confirmed this with the Israeli consulate in NY).
Funny thing is that I applied many years ago for a work permit (VISA) to be able to work in the UK (and subsequently in the EU) since I was born in Scotland to an American father stationed there with the U.S. Navy. SO, imagine my surprise (pleasant one) when I was mailed a FULL-BLOWN passport from the "United Kingdome and Northern Ireland" There I was just expecting either to be shot down or to receive a temporary work VISA and they maiuled me a passport and made me a UK citizen on the spot
I think that in my case (or BAS's) it is a policy of not caring and simply looking the other way on the part of the U.S. govt.
That is, one can have 2 valid passports (U.S.A. and other) and they do not "officially" recognize your dual citizenship but they do not go out of their way to deny you the dual citizenship either.
That is what seems to make the most sense, any more ideas? Getting interesting...
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"...i believe tubbymurphy is single, you could start there!! good luck!"
Tuuuubyyyyyyyyy, man I bet you are glad that Marta does not read the board
Sedusa makes it all sound so easy. Believe me, it�s a real hassle and I did it the LEGAL way!!
As Espe mentioned, just because you marry an American, you are not automatically granted a US passport/citizenship. You must go through the process of being a resident (which means residing there) for I believe 8-10 years before you can apply for citizenship. However, residency for most is good enough as it allows a legal working situation and legal rights etc..
Likewise for marrying a EU citizen. You aren�t automatically granted the paperwork. You must go through the process and God help you if you apply through Madrid. In Madrid, there is a 6 month waiting list just to schedule the date to present your paperwork. Once you get the date (which could be 6 months later) and present your paperwork, there is another long waiting list as the documentation gets approved. All this time you are granted a temporary visa to reside here, but it does not provide for a legal working situation. This I know first hand. Fortunately for me we were living in Segovia at the time and I processed there. Being a much smaller office (and fewer immigrants to contend with) my waiting period, once all the documentation was presented was only 4 months until I got my residency card. And I didn�t have to make an appointment to present my paperwork, I simply walked in and stood in line (3 people ahead of me...much better than the pescader�a!!!)
With regards to dual citizenship...it is an extremely GRAY AREA and really depends on the country of your original citizenship. BAS is not exactly a good example as his citizenship is in the Philippines (if I am not mistaken) and the Philippines and Spain have a special relationship not necessarily shared with US citizens.
I have been researching this area as I would someday like to have Spanish citizenship. However, it is not something automatically granted, it is something that I must apply for after 10 years of residency. I found this information on Dual Nationality but it still leaves things somewhat gray for me.
If anyone has any further information on the dual nationality process (Val? Tony?) I would be interested in knowing what it entails and if you had to renounce your US citizenship as you apply for the Spanish...
Jer- Yes you do have to renounce your Am citizenship. However there is a loophole. If you are BORN a citizen- you pretty much can't ever loose it! It is different for naturalized citizens. So even though you technically loose the Am citizenship- you never really do- you can 'officially' recuperate it at any time. There is another loophole- renouncing your Am citizenship to a foreign government doesn't count to the US. You have to renounce it in front of an American official. However, even then- and this from an inside source at the Am embassy there in Madrid- people who do renounce there- there are people that have been waiting some 20+ years to loose their american citizenship. Again back to square one- if you were BORN an american- no way to shake it. Just as if you were BORN a spaniard- its yours for life- no matter what paperwork you have to show the contrary. There is NOT dual citizenship recognition-that's something different entirely- just because you have 2 passports it does not make you a dual citizen!(lots of people don't realize that)dual citizenship is only possible depending on the agreements countries have between them- the majority of latin american countries have dual citizenship agreements with Spain, as do the Phillippeanes, Portugal, and a few others (I can hunt down a list if you guys want it- but if you're THAT interested you will have to do some research yourselves ) and especially for men in the event of war- if you bear arms against the US you WOULD loose your citizenship- it would be considered treason. Or if the US calls you to fight- you would legally have to since you ARE an American citizen.
Harmless you are correct with Isreal and Ireland- they are a couple of the very few countries that the United States has and recognized DUAL CITIZENSHIP. Jer- sorry to say, you do not have dual citizenship- you have to legal passports, but neither country will recognize you as a citizen of the other-which is what dual citizenship really boils down to.
Chica- being married to a Spanish citizen you can apply for Spanish citizenship after being married just one year- since you're married for the real deal I dont have to explain more but for someone who wasn't would have to prove that they are not legally seperated, and have been living in the same household for a year. But again- you would have to renounce and no it would not be dual citizenship.
Siguiendo mi propio Camino de Santiago
Posts: 387 | Location: Madrid | Registered: 19 October 2002
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Tecnically, since my mom is Israeli, all I need to do is claim my citizenship there as well, giving me 3 (I have confirmed this with the Israeli consulate in NY).
