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Max, Never under estimate my friend and chances are you�ll have the Olympics in Madrid, Spain in 2012. Yes! Mayor this is good for Spain and it is wise to use that money same with Barcelona it was good and should be better since Spain has learned it�s lesson on the first time. Madrid 2012 is on track. Venga! Madrid 2012. A true lover of Spain. BAS 
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| Posts: 142 | Location: Madrid | Registered: 17 June 2001 |    |
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Hey guys, after researching a bit and learning (especially from member JP) the changes that a city undergoes during and after the olympics, I am not sure if I want them here in Madrid either. I am torn between the atractiveness of haveing the games here and finally getting Madrid "on the map" so to speak and the after effects that the games will cause such as higher prices, etc... Personally however I agree with Max and do not think it will happen for Madrid. NYC wil be strong competition, especially since the Sept. 11th events. It was in the focus of the world intensely and has the world's sympathy so it will probably get the games. Good for NY  (my other home town) Saludos, jer...
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| Posts: 12233 | Location: ny, u.s.a. --> madrid, spain --> the plaza mayor ! | Registered: 30 June 1998 |    |
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Is this about the end of the Mayan "Long Count"? I'll go and have a look... A little bit later: "Gods in Amnesia", huh? Sounds so much like what that sneaky snake whispered to Eve--"Aw,c'mon, just a little bite and you shall be like God." Some folks have a whole lot of time on their hands to dream up stuff, don't they? I know, we all call it research when we do it ourselves.
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| Posts: 479 | Location: ROCKFORD,MI, USA | Registered: 23 May 2001 |    |
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Yeah, but vacation sure goes fast! Hold it, I'm retired! I'm always on vacation! In order to get here, though, I had to get old....and poor. I can confirm that there is a definite illusion of time passing more quickly as one ages, though. I think it's because each minute is a smaller fraction of the total life. How does that "resonate"?
Pack light, sleep cheap, eat well.
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| Posts: 479 | Location: ROCKFORD,MI, USA | Registered: 23 May 2001 |    |
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Here is an update on this story. quote: 4 Cities Await Cut for 2012 Games Tue Aug 27,10:31 AM ET By NANCY ARMOUR, AP Sports Writer
After months of work and millions of dollars, four cities � Houston, New York, San Francisco and Washington � await the next cut for the 2012 Olympics.
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By Tuesday night, the U.S. Olympic Committee's bid evaluation task force will have pared the list to two cities.
"It will not be simple. All four deserve to win," said Charles H. Moore, the former Olympic gold medalist who heads the task force. "The cities are probably the four most qualified in the world."
Task force members met at the O'Hare Hilton on Tuesday morning, with an announcement expected at 5 p.m. EDT.
The USOC's board of directors will decide Nov. 3 which city will be the U.S. candidate for the 2012 Games. Then comes the international competition.
As many as a dozen cities � including possibly Toronto, Rome and Rio de Janeiro, Brazil � are expected to vie for the games. The International Olympic Committee ( news - web sites) will pick the host in 2005.
"In one level, the nervous tension is building a bit," said Dan Knise, president of Washington DC 2012. "But that's also tempered by the reality that we've done all we can."
So, Moore said, has the task force. Its members have spent hundreds of hours evaluating the cities and their bids. The team visited each of the four cities twice, with every member scoring the individual bids.
The cities weren't ranked against each other, Moore said. Much like par in golf, the scoring was done against a neutral number. The biggest portion of the ratings � 54 percent � was based on the IOC's criteria for host cities, Moore said.
Another 15 percent was related to the financial stability of the bid. The final 31 percent was something Moore calls "what it takes to win." That includes everything from how attractive the city is to the international community to how it would stage the Paralympics, which follow the Olympics.
"We've been very thorough," Moore said. "It's a very straightforward process."
But now it's time to pit the cities against each other.
"When you play golf, you can play against the course, the par. Or you can play the players," Moore said. "This is the first time we're going to play against the players."
Moore insisted no comparison has been done yet, but San Francisco and Washington are thought to be the front-runners. New York could be a sentimental favorite after the Sept. 11 attacks.
Washington's bid centers around an Olympic Sports Complex at the current site of RFK Stadium on a cleaned-up Anacostia River. Similar to Sydney's Olympic Park, the complex would be the site of nine sports, the new stadium, an Olympic plaza, the media center and various support facilities.
San Francisco's weather, waterfront and scenic vistas are its strong points. Organizers plan to use the Golden Gate Bridge as a signature emblem, the way Sydney's Opera House was used during the 2000 Summer Olympics ( news - web sites).
As the country's biggest city, New York is touting its expertise at handling � and moving � large crowds. The city also is selling its diversity and immigrant history, likening it to the Olympic movement itself.
Houston's strength is its technical plan, with most of the venues close to each other and 90 percent already complete or under construction. Organizers have also promised an $87 million renovation to make the Astrodome an elite track and field facility, a plan endorsed by track's international governing body.
The task force also must consider the IOC, which has members from all over the world. A city might have a great bid, but it won't mean anything if the IOC doesn't like it.
"The key is that the USOC is going to pick the city with the best chance to win internationally," said Dan Doctoroff, New York's deputy mayor for economic development and former head of NYC 2012. "Otherwise, this whole process is futile."
Moore has received input from IOC and USOC members, and he's confident the United States can present a city that will be to the IOC's liking.
Some think the IOC will hesitate to award the United States a third Olympics in 16 years, especially considering the problems Atlanta and Salt Lake City experienced. The 2010 Games could complicate matters, too, because Vancouver, British Columbia, is a favorite to get those Olympics.
"I think there's a 50 percent chance we can bring the games back here," Moore said. "We certainly have the best bids."
"Wanna fly, you got to give up the shit that weighs you down" - SONG OF SOLOMON, Toni Morrison
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| Posts: 1255 | Location: Richmond, VA but in MADRID now | Registered: 10 February 2002 |    |
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I also would not support the 2012 Madrid bid. Other that Madrid not really needing to be 'put on the map' or for more development etc, I just can't see it happening. The next summer olympics are Athens 2004 and the next Beijing 2008. Allowing China to host the Olympics would suggest that now nowhere is off limits. Their promises of improvement on human rights and democracy would appear to be believable. Only these 'issues' and the threat of drug abuse could yet ruin a wonderful opportunity for China and the world. Looking at the recent past of the games (Sydney 2000, Atlanta 1996, Barcelona 1992, Seoul 1988, LA 1984, Moscow 1980, Montreal 1976, Munich 1972...) their seems to be no particular pattern to the switch between Asia, Americas and Europe (Note the lack of any African games  ). As 2008 will be in Asia, an Americas venue would seem likely for 2012 rather than a return to Europe. As Sydney showed us, nations that like to have fun put on a fun Olympics. I would like to see some 'Latin America' nations trying for 2012. Nobody can say they don't like a bit of fun. If some of the aid some of these countries require was invested intelligently to develop the transport, telecomms, finance, sporting and tourism needs associated with the games they would be given a great chance to promote their nation and continent. As a northern hemisphere city would have more chance I suggest that Havana, Cuba should be the venue for the 2012 Olympic Games. Unfortunately according the official olympics page both Jaca and Andorra have now been dropped for the 2010 Winter Olympics  .
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| Posts: 46 | Location: Madrid Spain | Registered: 05 September 2002 |    |
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