I am really shocked by todays news that another unexploded bomb was found on the railway line that serves the AVE to Sevilla, near a road crossing close to Toledo. They are saying that the explosive used is the same as that used on 11/M. It looks like this attack was planned to cause maximum devastation as Madrile�os pour out of the city in the run up to semana santa. Futhermore, three letter bombs were intercepted on their way to media organisations on thursday. On this mornings news the police said that they suspect that there is a 300 member strong so- called "islamic" terrorist group operating throughout Spain.
What the hell is going on??
I don�t know if I should feel sad that so many of the north african community feel alienated enough in Spain to become involved in this foolishness, or just plain angry at the senseless acts that such hijos de putas carry out in attempt to make us all live in fear. The guy who found the unexploded bomb today deserves everyones thanks. Let�s hope that we are not faced with a similar situation for a long time.

I�m not shocked. There is no apeasment for anarchists.


Peace marches and blaming Aznar and Bush is not going to stop them,"islamic" terrorists need to be hunted down and killed with extreme prejudice, that�s the only way to exterminate these cold blooded murdering cowards.

Exactly Jazzbo, in a nut shell.

If this world does not deal with Islam and it's many terrorists, Islam will deal with the world, as it tried to do long ago in Spain & france, and even more recently again in europe when the turks nearly succeeded.

They have to be stopped, because they absolutely will not stop under any circumstances whatsoever, (ever) until they get what they want, and that is the world in total, and even for them, the world is not enough, so they have got to be dealt with.

Listen to Victor Mordecai and the Islamic Threat (click here)

Ah once again the two voices of calm and reason speak up to help the rest of us fools understand.

Kill 'em all! After all that worked with the IRA, the Tamil Tigers, the PLO, etc.

I'm so glad there are people out there not afraid to speak their Sunday cartoon inspired wisdom. There's just way too much of that reasoned thinking out there for our own good.

"If in order to defeat the beast, you must become like the beast, then the beast has already won."
- Quaker proverb

i agree with jazzbo and iberian to a certain degree.

they will stop at nothing. the scariest thing is that they are willing to give up their lives for their "cause".

sorry Roland but i far prefer to take the "kill em all" attitude over the "give em what they want" attitude.

look at this latest near-attack, even after they got what they wanted (psoe elected), we still see sensless bomb traps.

any reasonable human bieng would fear the day that suicide bombers begin to get on busses in spain and stroll into the "museo del jam�n" on a busy friday afternoon and... boom!!!

when and where will it all stop

saludos,
jer...

I would invite all those who have posted on this topic (and anyone else who might be interested) to read the following editorial article:

"Fundamentalismo: enemigo a la vista",
by Richard Rorty, professor at the University of Stanford.

Here is a link to the article, in .pdf format:
http://www.almendron.com/cuaderno/politica/terror/2004/01_03/terror_0118.pdf

Cheers,
Kristin

Roland said nothing about giving them what they want.

Jer, do you HONESTLY think that killing the terrorists will stop them? The leaders who are captured and killed by our leaders become martyrs for their causes. They don�t value their lives the way we do. They believe if they die in a war against us they will end up in paradise. There is no easy or logical way to deal with islamic terrorists. They are against our way of life. Unless we completely change to THEIR ideals, we�re against them. Killing them won�t help. Appeasement is only possible if the United States changes its culture and way of thought. That will never happen and the vast majority of Americans are content with their way of life (even if they are not content with their government) and will gladly accept the looming threat of a terrorist attack to a change to the taliban�s idea of what the USA should be.

European countries won�t stop supporting the USA for political and financial reasons and continue to absorb the culture, making western europe nothing more than an extension of American culture in terrorists eyes. The terrorism will not stop by killing. They can put as many troops in Atocha and Gran Central as they want, capture hundreds of Al Quaeda and Taliban members. It won�t make those that remain give up their cause. If the terrorists want to do damage, it is not that hard to find another option. Just walk into any subway station with a poison gas bomb. Or strap a bomb to your body and go into El Corte Ingles near Christmas time or an Alejandro Sanz concert. The number dead would far excede March 11 and it only takes one person who is angry because their leader was murdered by the government.

Melinda

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Roland said nothing about giving them what they want.

never said he dis Melinda, stop reading into my posts.

what you simply fail to understand is that with these radicals, those are the only 2 choices.

they will not stop, even if the do get EVERYTHING they want.

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Jer, do you HONESTLY think that killing the terrorists will stop them?

last i knew, a dead terrorist could no longer kill. yes, those who come after him/her will continue to kill but that would happen anyway, get it through your skull. terrorism has no justification and will go on anyway so the fewer out there the bestter.

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Appeasement is only possible if the United States changes its culture and way of thought.

you are fooling yourself, oeven if that impossible dream came true, they would simply think up another "cause" to kill for.

saludos,
jer...

Hmmmm....

So the world is full of BAD guys, and they must be killed?

What a sophisticated world view.

Oh brother...I sense another round of postings like the "...what now..." round..i wonder if Home of the Brave will show up. You know his IP address, don't you Jer?

Jer,

Using military force against terrorism is about as foolish as trying to stop a brush fire by beating the flames with a baseball bat. It may make you feel tough, brave, and determined but really you just look like a raving idiot spreading burning embers everywhere.

If you're going to prevent terrorism prevent the root causes of it. Don't go around flexing your military muscle in counterproductive exercises that only ensure the violence will continue.

And please, give me a break with this "they will not stop" crap. It's exactly the kind of dialogue one hears in a cheap action movie that didn't have enough money for a screenwriter with a HS diploma.

I'm really shocked at the amount of blatant bigotry against Islam I hearing on these threads, especially from Jazzbo and Iberian. I hope you don't agree with that at least. This unmitigated rubbish about Islam wanting to take over the world when the US is the main contender in invading other countries (Panama, Granada, Iraq (twice), Afghanistan). The US has been directly responsible for far more civilian deaths in these invasions that all the Islamic terrorist groups put together.

You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.
- Jesus Christ

Roland, i never suggested using "military force" but investigation and weeding them out intelligently is indeed the way to go.

we can not negotiate with terrorists!!!

in fact, i think that tonights operation in Legan�s against an islamic terrorist cell was a mistake. the police should have knocked on their door, invited them to a nice caf� con leche and discussed the problem with them to try and find out why they are planning to slaughter more innocents and maybe get in touch with their feelings.

that was sarcasm in case anyone did not notice

i am officially invoking my mm webmaster "stop the idiotic arguments and insulting" priveledge and ending this thread here and now. go argue on other message boards if that is what turns you on.

the google and yahoo forums have plently of mindless arguments and chatter on them and are hardly moderated.

saludos,
jer...

p.d. i will also delete any more threads that get hijacked as this one by Shane has.