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originally posted by Gringa:
I was even wondering if Roland was related to HOTB.... :jeje: :jeje: :jeje: ...
And if the 'conspiracy theory' sites are to be believed....Roland actually is HOTB !! Eeker
 
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sorry guys. all the negative events going on in the world have me so upset and wound-up.

I didn't "threaten" Roland, btw: The comment was a literary allusion. In the great old "Chanson de Roland," the warrior Roland and his army met an unhappy end in the mountain pass of Roncesvalles/Roncevaux, when they were ambushed. Just a word to the wise, next time you're passing through the Pamplona 'hood.
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Roland actually is HOTB !!
OH NO! My cover has been blown! Run away, run away!
 
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Andalusia, aka the Nation Formerly Known as Spain Intellectual Conservative ^ | 24 March 2004 | Nicholas Stix


Even ordinary extortionists, when they get paid off, always want more.

I am not a Spaniard.

Somewhere, on March 12, I saw the headline, "We are All Spaniards Now." It was an allusion to the Le Monde headline from 9/12, "We are All Americans Now."

As we now know, that initial French (and German) sympathy for America was short-lived. In no time flat, the Old Europe of France and Germany sought to appease Islamist terror, and to hurt America, through claiming to be our allies, while betraying us at every step of the way.

Not so, the Spaniards. The 1,300 troops they sent to Iraq were largely a symbolic matter, but the symbolism was powerful.

After 9-11, when so much of Europe was making mischief at our expense, many Americans assumed that Europe would react differently, if it were hit. I was one of those Americans. But on the Sunday after 3-11, a majority of Spanish voters -- who pre-3-11 had supported the ruling, America-friendly Popular Party, voted it out, on behalf of Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero's Socialist Workers' Party. It was as if to say to the Islamists who had attacked them, "See, we're not your enemy." It was the worst sort of collective cowardice imaginable, because not only did it hurt America, but it did nothing for the Spaniards. Do they think that Muslim suicide bombers are now going to consider Spain their friend?

In a calculated slap at the U.S., Zapatero said that he looks forward to enjoying a "magnificent" relationship with France and Germany. In another slap at the U.S., Zapatero now says that he will not bring the Spanish troops home, if George Bush surrenders control of American troops to the U.N., a position less honest than his pre-election promise to bring home the troops, period. If Zapatero can mange to be so "courageous" towards the U.S., why is he such a craven coward towards al Qaeda & Co.? And what sort of message is he sending to his own, home-grown, Basque terrorists at ETA?

Let's see. The last time U.N.-led troops pacified a war zone was ... never.

Zapatero claimed, "Fighting terrorism with bombs, with operations of "shock and awe," with missiles, that does not combat terrorism, it only generates more radicalism. The way to fight terrorism is with the rule of law, with international legislation, with intelligence services. This is what the international community should be talking about."

Speaking to the New York Times, David, the world's most quoted window frame maker, translated Zapatero's true sentiments into clear Spanish: "Maybe the Socialists will get our troops out of Iraq, and Al Qaeda will forget about Spain, so we will be less frightened. A bit of us died in the train."

Zapatero's decision to recognize gay marriage or civil unions, will surely also warm the hearts of Muslim terrorists everywhere.

Those Spaniards who changed their votes, spat on the graves of the now 202 dead.

But let us not forget the millions of Spaniards who stayed the course. To them, I tip my hat.

Even ordinary extortionists, when they get paid off, always want more. But as some clear-eyed observers, such as Mark Steyn have pointed out, Muslim terrorists are no ordinary extortionists. Whereas the ordinary kind live to get paid, Muslim extortionists live to kill and be killed. And al Qaeda didn't just attack Spain due to its alliance with America, but as Steyn also pointed out, due to its expulsion of the Moors (Spanish Muslims) in 1492. As far as al Qaeda (Islam?) is concerned, Spain is the property of Islam.

Since Spain expelled the Jews the same year, do I also get to wage war on it, and declare it a Jewish state?

http://www.intellectualconservative.com/article3257.html
 
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I have, generally speaking, tried to avoid these sorts of temporarily popular threads that have popped up en mass since the 11th because I find that those Spaniards or expats who disagree with those staunch, non-Spain based conservatives who agree with sentiments like those expressed in this article are not able to say anything that makes them feel differently about their closed-minded way of seeing the world outside their personal picket fence.

So, I'll stay out of it again and reserve my opinions for the local bar because at least that way, we can agree and disagree while drinking beer. But I did want to ask jazzbo for the record why you posted this particular article? It would appear to contrast the first article you posted. Is it that you agree with this sentiment or that you're simply trying to give us different points of view on how those outside Spain see what has transpired since the 11th? I'm not attempting to make an accusation. I'm just curious... Since we haven't seen you around here for a while, I thought it to be a fair question.


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Posts: 656 | Location: Madrid (Kansas City, USA) | Registered: 06 November 2001Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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It's called trolling or baiting.

I, for the record, disagree with everyone. You are all wrong, and only I am right.
 
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I posted to get feedback,and set off the "socialistas" Big Grin

so far its Spain;0,terrorists 1

This subject is far deeper than Bush bashing,i'm in the middle,people have said I must have genetics from Moors (Spanish Muslims)due to my Portuguese complexion.
 
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[qb] so far its Spain;0,terrorists 1
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Okay, I'll pass along the score/message to �lvaro, whose father is still in the hospital clinging on to life, to Elena who lost two 15 year old class mates as well as Miguel �ngel's family whose 3 and 5 year old children and wife are now without a father and husband respectively.

Sorry, as I stated before, I have a hard time reading articles/posts from people who have suddenly become interested in Spain just this past month since....the 11th and 14th or so, haven't been here during the past four years and are now suddenly experts on how and why Spaniards voted as they did.

I don't plan on posting on this thread or any other like it again. I imagine that this phenomenon, along with its new found experts will die soon enough.


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Posts: 656 | Location: Madrid (Kansas City, USA) | Registered: 06 November 2001Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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Well said Tony! Lets hope people stop these threads, because to be honest i am getting very angry and upset and so on....

Jazzbo is really testing the patience of a lot of people, especially people who LIVE in Spain.

And again let me remind everybody that almost nobody changed its vote...just because of the high % of the population that voted, the PSOE won. As I said before Spain is a left wing country and people who haven't voted in the last 2 elections found it was the honarable thing to do (to go and vote), and you can not expect these people to change to PP when the are lefties...

Spain has lived with terrorism for the past 35 years..when the states learn to handle it as well as Spain has in those years come back and judge!

By the way...I know a lot of Americans understand what is happening...just the ones who watch the FOX news network, are the ones who cant think for themselves and actually believe what they say on FOX.

salu2,
serge


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AMEN serge!


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