and the madrid govt. in puerta del sol today...



saludos,
jer...

CNN has live Madrid protests by the socialists. They say 90% were against iraq war,and claim the protest is the PP's siding with Bush led to this bombing.


I used to download a free copy pdf of el pais,is there still a free download? in english,your link just stalls

where is the URL?

Hi Tony, thanks to you & jer for the �Jpg�, I got it and printed it ready for the office next week.

Be brave my friend, I know only too well what it is like to lose people that I have worked with for years, or have known socially, as well as family, and the reality of it hits hard, and the pain of the bereavement will be with you for a while, but it will fade in time, and so until then you must be strong, you must be stronger than you ever thought you could be, and put a brave face on each day, and try to carry on as close to normal as is possible, and I know some might say that�s easy for me to say, but I can assure you that it is not, believe me, I have suffered, and still do to this day, even after some years, it�s not easy, but I have to get on with it, life must go on, we must put things behind us and move on, although we must never forget those who have lost theirs, or the thing that took their lives from them, even though we might forgive, in time, perhaps, but we will never forget.

The situation in the world is grave indeed, and I fear that we have not yet experienced what might yet come about, and feel that there could still be more tragedy yet to come somewhere in this world, and I pray that is not going to be the case, but the world has seen far far worse than what we have seen recently, it�s been going on for a few thousand years now, the human race has been at war with itself, and it�s not over yet.

If there are still enough good people left in the world, and I feel that there are still many of us, we can unite and stand up together against this evil that we have in the world, and crush it out of existence for all time, and make up for old and new.

Now is not the time to weaken, we must be strong if we are to do battle with the forces of evil, and I strongly believe that there is a battle going on in this world between the powers of good and the forces of Evil, and that we are surrounded by those who have been consumed by evil, and possessed by demons, their minds having been manipulated by Satan himself, and it is he who is causing all this horror in the world, and god himself is relying on those of us who are good souls, to help him in the fight against this evil that is being perpetrated, but first you have to believe, you have to have faith, to trust him to guide & protect you, and eventually we will all be able to carry on as normal and not spend our lives living in fear of being attacked.

We should not allow anything to make us live in fear, we should do whatever is necessary to put an end to this evil in the world, that is causing so much loss of life, pain & anguish to so many.

Anyway, I don�t want to lecture or preach on here, but I�m sure that you will understand that my feelings on this subject are quite strong, but well meant.

To all those who have suffered any loss, grieve you must, but now is the time to be strong & brave my friends.

America, England and Espa�a & the rest of the civilised world will come together now and unite & rise up against the forces of evil and whoever or whatever is responsible for all this grief in the world, and Together we will win.

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Victor Mordecai
Go here and listen to parts 1 & 2
of the audio section, and hear all
about the real Evil in this world,
who the real demons are, who Satan is.
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Chico and I along with my inlaws went to the protests last night...and we were overwhelmed by the masses.

We drove to Fuencarral and got on line 10 of the metro there... the beginning of the line....it was packed from the get-go. Rode it, like sardines, down to Alonso Martinez, only to hear that the exits to the street had been closed due to the number of people already in the area. So we continued on to the next stop only to discover that the exits were completely back logged. We got back on the train took it to Plaza de Espa�a, and then rode the train back to Cuatro Caminos and walked from there to La Castellana... we stayed at the Plaza de Emilio Castelar, if any of you are familiar with the area....just south of Bernabeu/Nuevos Ministerios/Gregorio Mara��n. The streets were shoulder to shoulder human bodies. We couldn�t move!

It was definitely an emotional scene. Hope many of you were able to attend the demonstration as well.

Hello. I am new to this message board.

I just want to send my deepest sympathies to you in Madrid for the horrific bombings. I was very shocked and saddened. Why is it the innocent who always pay for the madness of cowards?

Please accept my condolences.

John

I left my flat in Acacias and walked up to the Glorieta de Embajadores at which point the crowds swamps the Ronda de Atocha all the way up to Atocha station. At the crossroads in front of Atocha's huge frosted glass face I stood and watched from atop a plastic jersey barriers and the thousands upon thousands that turned out in the driving rain, some with lighted candles, others with black ribbons (or photocopies of same), and thousands of umbrellas jostling between them all.

Cranes lifted camera crews high about the crowds to film the crowds, the banners, the chanting, et al.

The most moving chant: "Ibamos todos en ese tren".

BBC has live protests 2 am Madrid .


I guess you cant get any rest Jer, living on the square?

Do most of you think they will be voted out in the election?

It's a pity we can't vote today

quote:

originally posted by Roland:
[qb]

I'm sorry if you think I'm being political opportunistic at this time. It may be the anger and stress I've experienced in the last few days that may be making me lash out at those I feel responsible.

I assure you though I'm not here to score political points. I live just down the street from Atocha and having regularly taken those trains, I cannot begin to tell you how hard it is for me now.

I added that post because I saw people (especially Aznar) rushing to place the blame squarely on ETA without bothering to wait for proof.

I may be rushing to place blame too quickly as well. But believe me this is not just "political opportunism".

- Roland [/qb][/QUOTE]

Apology accepted. If you wish to lash out at those responsible, you need look no further than those who planted the bombs. Just because you may not agree with the ruling party, doesn't mean that you can freely blame them for an action they did not perpetrate. "unidad, firmeza y serenidad"

Very good point ToroLoco!!!! Like Judge Judy says " Don`t kill the messenger if you don`t like the message" Aznar is looking for peace not terrorism and it is very unfair to blame him for this....The only ones to blame are those crazies that somehow think this will make them closer to God....Any sane person knows that you can`t find peace by killing innocent people!!!! I believe in God and am sure that he would never sanctify this action!!!!! Please vote for a pro active govt that has the b---s to fight against terrorism!!!!!

I wish to clarify my intentions that made me post a rebuttal to Roland's political laced reply.

1. I feel very violated by the attacks (I have departed on many trips from Atocha at the same time of day with my young children and my wife.)
2. My political affiliation is my business and not a badge of honor on display.
3. I love Madrid and I love all Madrile�os (yes,especially Roland).
I will not reply anymore to this topic and I thank Roland for his sincere reply, I am sorry that you feel so badly, we do to

...my parents asked me to forward this

We are in shock and with you in prayer and mourning for all those affected by the bombings. Roy and I are in Alaska visiting our youngest son Dan and family and are so glad that Paul called us as we were so busy visiting we did not even turn on the TV or go buy a newspaper (it's been -3 F. here). I am sure that TV cannot capture the sadness, grief, anger, and totality of this terrible disaster.

To see the millions of people in Spain, come out with their umbrellas marching against those who planned the disaster is inspiring.

God bless you and your beautiful nation,

Claire and Roy

ena and i walked through sol, down carrera de san jer�nimo and into the plaza de canovas de catillo (neptune fountain). fro there the crowd moved smoothly but slowly down to atocha.

when we got to atocha (about 1.5 hrs later), the emotion seemed more somehow than it was at other points along the march. it somehow seemed like the most solemn place on earth.

saludos,
jer...

on a healing note, i have set up a donations page at www.multimadrid.com/11marzo for anyone who wants to give to the victims of the recent madrid attacks via multimadrid.

you can also click on any of the...



... images at the top left of all the board pages.

please give what you can.

saludos,
jer...

Last Friday, I copied many of the messages here and sent them to the Spanish Consulates in the US, with the note that said:

"These messages come to you from friends who love Spain, its culture, and its people."


Here are the responses so far:

Please accept our most sincere appreciation for your expression of support for my country, and for the families and friends of the victims of the heinous terrorist attack in Madrid.
- Ramon Saenz de Heredia, Consul General of Spain, New Orleans


The Consulate General of Spain wishes to express its profound sorrow for the victims of the barbaric terrorist attack perpetrated today, March 11, 2004, in the capital of Spain, and declares its
solidarity with the relatives of the victims.
- Camilo Barcia Garc�a-Villamil, C�nsul General de Espa�a, San Francisco


On behalf of the People of Spain, and on behalf of the King Juan Carlos I and of our Government we
would like you to know that we thank you deeply for this show of solidarity and friendship.
- Francisco J. Viqueira, Consul General of Spain, Chicago


The Consulate General of Spain in Houston wishes to thank all of you for the support and solidarity in this time of sorrow for our country.
(unsigned)


While in hindsight I should probably have posted a message of my intent before collecting and sending the comments, I hope you all understand that I thought sending the message as soon as possible was so important that I made the decision based upon that.