According to posters in the Metro, this week there are open days about the future of public transport in Madrid:

9-18 Wed May 7
9-15 Thu May 8

This is at pavilions 9 and 10 at IFEMA, metro
Campo de Las Naciones. I presume it�s free but it doesn�t actually say so.

That exhibition ain't more than pure propaganda, and phoney as well. I could give you a thousand examples of how the public transport in this city has gone from bad to worse over the last decade (In spite of what themedia says) so, if you want me to fill you in, say so.

Hey thin ice, Stephen2 was simply informing of an event that people may be interested in in this city that we all love.

Thanks for the heads up Stephen2

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That exhibition ain't more than pure propaganda, and phoney as well.

If you actually went to see the exhibit we would love to hear what you though of it.

As for the public transportation system in Madrid, it is one of the BEST in the world. If you have travelled and seen others, you will agree.

I have lived in Madrid for almost 8 years now (nearly the decade you refer to above) abd seen it grow and improve in leaps and bounds.

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"I could give you a thousand examples of how the public transport in this city has gone from bad to worse over the last decade (In spite of what themedia says) so, if you want me to fill you in, say so."

"so"

Saludos,
jer...

Not that I ain't willing to give you many examples of this, but before you've read them you already seem to be brainwashed by official propaganda, so now my offer makes little sense, cause anything I might tell you would probably fall on deaf ears.

Saludos,
jer...

hey i want to know. I come a city where there is NO public transport. OK maybe a really bad bus or 2 that smells like pee or homeless people. And I was in NY this past week where I feel Madrid's bus and Metro are so much easier and friendly to use. So please explain how the transport is bad, since I have little to go by. And if you think it will fall of deaf ears, I know sign language!!! hehe

Hey sedusa, I think the thin ice realized that the public transportation system here is really not that bad

Saludos,
jer...

The thin ice,

I, for one, don't see anything wrong with public transportation in Madrid. It is effecient and takes you just about anywhere that you want to go. I can say this because I am from Richmond, Virginia where public transportation sucks.

City buses don't, or better yet, can't go into the county without there being a big hassle about whites not wanting the CRIMINAL ELEMENT in their neighorhood. We all know who the CRIMINAL ELEMENT refers to. Therefore, people who have jobs in the county, and can't afford a car, must walk 2 - 3 miles to get to their job after the bus lets them off at the county line.

That's one of the major reasons why I am moving back to Madrid. To get around within the city, I don't need a car. I can either walk, hop the bus or metro. I don't have that luxury where I live and cars are very expensive. It's not just the car payment, but also upkeep, parking, towing and many emergencies that come along with it. With a car, you never know what will happen with it or what will go wrong at any given time.

All in all, I have not been BRAINWASHED as you have called it into thinking that public transportation is good in Madrid. It is EXCELLENT, in my humble opinion because of the city where I live, public transportation is very minimal.

I am still anxious to hear what you have to say about public transportation in Madrid. You have peaked our curiousity and now you have to follow through, as promised above, with explanations.

Have a great day,

Shawn

Well, since everybody here already has a preconceived idea of how 'lovely' this city's public transports are, there seems to be little use in me trying to give examples of the opposite. You all seem the kind of people who believes everything the media and the government tell you (Maybe you even supported war, who knows), so why should I bother trying to tell you certain facts. After all, I don't have the resources they do, so you would not believe me - or, even worse, might take me for a killjoy, so I guess I'll let you live in your daydream world, where the transports are awesome and never jammed.

I can see your point since, if you come from a city where there's almost none of it, you may think the one we've got here is wonderful, but it's not. As we say in Spain: "In blind's country, the cross-eyed is the king".

I am sorry, but I have the knack of questioning everything, and this is not very popular nowadays.
Couldn't care less, anyway.

The thin ice,

STOP ASSUMING that everyone won't see your point of view. I have asked for you to list your reasons, as you have promised in previous posts. I want to see things from BOTH sides of the coin. If you plan on telling your point of view, well by all means please do.

Your repeated assumptions that we are looking at things from only one point of view is totally not true. None of us have been brainwashed at all, as you have said it. We are merely stating our opinion, which everyone has.

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I could give you a thousand examples of how the public transport in this city has gone from bad to worse over the last decade (In spite of what themedia says) so, if you want me to fill you in, say so.

If you won't present your point of view, as people on this thread have ask you to, I guess we can consider this thread closed and that PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION IN MADRID IS EXCELLENT, unless you would like to prove otherwise.

Normally, when people feel passionate about something, no matter how much they feel that the cards are stacked against them, they will present their point of view and let the chips fall where they may.

Questioning is a good thing, but when someone presents an argument, or a side without any examples or just leave it out there, that person has left more questions than answers. Don't think that you are the only one who questions things in this life. My question in this case is when will you tell us

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how the public transport in this city has gone from bad to worse over the last decade

Have a blessed day,

Shawn

Thin ice-
Arguing for or against ANYTHING without giving examples is weak. You want to complain, then out with it. Nobody is saying that the transportation is Perfect. Its not perfect anywhere. That there are traffic jams or roblems from time to time with the trains, well, this is part of life, those things happen. That costs go up, its the price we pay for the convenience and the maintanence to improve and keep things going.

Is it perfect? Maybe not, but I've lived in NYC and have traveled extensively- and Madrid has a very good public transportation system and VERY user friendly.

That we are all mindless idiots that believe whatever the government or media tells us- that's extremely ignorant of you- the majority of us on this board have lived and used this transportation first hand. That we like it or not, well, just as you are, we are also entitiled to our opinions. However, we're capable of supporting our opinions- not just making blind statements for the sake of saying it. Because you're avoiding addressing any of this, personally it makes me doubt your opinon and sincerity of your posts on the board. If you want to make a comment and share what could be possible useful information to a future or repeat traveler to Spain, it would be nice for you to share it- although you don't have to. However don't insult our intelligence and remark that we are unintelligent beings incapable of our own thoughts.

Keep in mind that not all of us are tourists to Spain, many of us know it well and we visit this board because we miss home, and we don't mind helping out another fellow human being by giving suggestions as to what to see, how to get there, etc.

I can't begin to imagine what else you think is wrong besides the public transportation, the political party, the war (which is completely irrelevant to what you're arguing) but you have three choices: Be a productful part of the socitey you live in, and what you don't like about it try to change, you're entitled to vote you also have an opinion- try supporting it with intelligent arguments its possible that you get someone to see your side and who knows! Even change their mind OR.... find a cave and live in it OR if its Spain your not content with- You don't have to live there, MOVE!

Good luck to you whatever you choose!

Though I planned to go to the exhibition, something prevented me at the last minute. The election candidates seem to have promised a lot of new Metro and Cercanias lines between them.

Thanks Shawn, Espe3, I think you guys said it. Thin Ice, everyone is entitled to their opinion, and sharing it is what this board is for, it's great to be able to learn about all aspects of Madrid and Spain from people who have lived there longer than us or in different parts, or have had different experiences. And everyone can use a good debate now and then. But please don't insult people, there's just no need for it, whether people agree with you or not, please be respectful and listen to what they want to say without insulting them. It's obvious that we want to hear and will listen to what you have to say, whether we agree with it or not, so please do the same. -Joy

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But please don't insult people, there's just no need for it,

Well said Joy!!! Not only is there no need for insults but it will also get ya booted off the board and banned

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Well, since everybody here already has a preconceived idea of how 'lovely' this city's public transports are,

The ideas are not "preconceived" at all but are rather educated opinions based on experience and comparison. There is a BIG difference.

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where the transports are awesome and never jammed.

I agree with espe3 when she said that it is not perfect nor flawless and yes, there are traffic jams as there are in most other major metroplitan cities.

We simply said it is excellent, that does not mean it is perfect.

So, we are all STILL awaiting your "thousand examples of how the public transport in this city has gone from bad to worse over the last decade".

Saludos,
jer...

I just have to say that when I was in Madrid I had to ride the public transportation daily from my arrival at the airport until I left. And I could not get over how good I thought it was. I never had to wait more than a few minutes on the subway and I rode it many times a day. And since I stayed in Colmenarejo I had to use the bus daily and was surprised at how clean it always was and always within a few minutes of being on time. Especially considering how late we always stayed out every night and still got a ride back. Except once,(it was really late and the driver wasnt supposed to go that far, but still went to the next town before colmanarejo,so we walked a little ways,hahaha, its cold there in february,at 2 or 3 a.m.)that was still farther than we had expected to be taken. I dunno, maybe service was just unusually good that week???? lol. I think it is probably always so.